Searching for the past in Cobh

Anyone know about Charleston House in Cobh?

I recently received an email from David Dunn, who lives in the UK. He is researching his family, who lived at Queenstown and Passage West in the period between 1845 and 1922.They lived for a number of years at Carrignafoy. If anyone can shed some light on this it would be great!

This is what David had to say:

“The story in my family history is that in the period from 1903 until around 1910, they may have lived in a gate lodge which was part of Charleston House. My current research shows a Census return for 1911, with Charleston House listed along with Wilmount, Easthill House, Brien(?) House, Seaview House, and Mount Crozier – which suggests to me that all these properties were pretty close together.

I have also recently found a Streetview image of what appears to be the Charleston Gate Lodge, situated in Carrignafoy Avenue, but I cannot find any information regarding Charleston House, other than some references in Guy’s Postal Directories, for some people who once lived there. I am assuming that Charleston House must have been demolished at some time, or possibly had a change of name. I think that it may have been situated in the area of Carrignafoy that has recently undergone major redevelopment.

 My ‘wider’ Irish family includes McSweeny’s, Mannix’s, McCarthy’s, and O’Sullivans – many of whom lived fairly close to the area I am trying to pinpoint, at The Mall, down at the waterfront. My grandmother, Maryanne Mannix lived at a pub in The Mall, and had an interest (with the McCarthy’s and the Sullivan’s) in a haberdashery and lace shop opposite the current Tourist Information building at Westbourne Place. The shop is still there, on the left side of a double fronted entrance, with apartments above. Maryanne Married Henry Dunne, a shipwright who worked at Rushbrooke, Haulbowline and Queen Victoria yards.

It would be really nice to be able to find out more about Charleston House and the gate lodge, because it forms an important part of my family history.

 When I visited Cobh with my wife many years ago, I went to the ‘Holy Ground’ area, where I met a very nice man by the name of Willy Carr, who had a shop in a part of his house in The Mall. He recalled that the Mannix sisters once lived a few houses along from him. I notice on Streetview, that Willy Carr’s shop still appears to be there, althhough I have also read the sad news that he had to give up his business, because of a violant robbery (again) a short time ago.

My ‘wider’ Irish family includes McSweeny’s, Mannix’s, McCarthy’s, and O’Sullivans – many of whom lived fairly close to the area I am trying to pinpoint, at The Mall, down at the waterfront. My grandmother, Maryanne Mannix lived at a pub in The Mall, and had an interest (with the McCarthy’s and the Sullivan’s) in a haberdashery and lace shop opposite the current Tourist Information building at Westbourne Place. The shop is still there, on the left side of a double fronted entrance, with apartments above. Maryanne Married Henry Dunne, a shipwright who worked at Rushbrooke, Haulbowline and Queen Victoria yards. 

It would be really nice to be able to find out more about Charleston House and the gate lodge, because it forms an important part of my family history.

 When I visited Cobh with my wife many years ago, I went to the ‘Holy Ground’ area, where I met a very nice man by the name of Willy Carr, who had a shop in a part of his house in The Mall. He recalled that the Mannix sisters once lived a few houses along from him. I notice on Streetview, that Willy Carr’s shop still appears to be there, although I have also read the sad news that he had to give up his business, because of a violent robbery (again) a short  time ago.”

More recently David wrote:

“I have just found Crozier House on Google Earth – and Charleston Lodge and Seaview House on Google Maps. The latter two are next to each other, and Charleston Lodge is on a bend in the road on Carrignafoy Avenue (grid 51 51 16 32N   and 8 17 16 05W.”

I have just found a set of maps that show Charleston House and Gate Lodge – both are old Ordnance Survey maps, 6″ and 25″.

On the 25″ map Charleston is shown immediately next to Willmount Castle (old spelling), and the Gate Lodge is clearly shown in the same place as current day. On the 6″ map, there is no reference to Charleston, but the Gate Lodge is there! My deduction is that the Gate Lodge was part of another large house in that area, before Charleston was built – and that the Gate Lodge was retained after the former house was demolished or destroyed, to be used for the new owners???

Both of maps have modern ‘overlays’ that, when synchronised with the original maps, clearly define exactly where the buildings/roads are located. These show the precise location of Charleston House and Gate Lodge. Having said all this, there does not appear to be any detailed reference to Charleston House in any pages that have come up on Google etc.

Please let me know if you have any information on this.

Margot
 


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